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110 Restorations

Postby Heythere » 25 Oct 2013 07:47

I am interested in finding a 1987-1989 110 or 127 that has been restored to original condition. Can anyone recommend a good restorer? I want someone that is maticulious and really cares about the small details. Also, someone that specifically restores Land Rovers. Thanks for the help- Aaron.

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Re: 110 Restorations

Postby willie » 03 Nov 2013 11:39

The problems with restorations of older vehicles Are:
The owners are not fully aware of the costs involved when being done by a commercial specialist workshop.
a complete bumper to bumper restoration could and mostly will be higher than the vehicles value, in fact I have seen restorations costing as much as a new vehicle of the same type.
Secondly the time factor.Restorations to be done quickly and properly means that a work shop owner would have to allocate skilled artisans full time on the vehicle being restored,
Here is how it work out:
A properly qualified and suitably skilled artisan is charged out at a bare minium of R200.00 rand an hour.
, I am not refering to the run of the mill every day panel beater and new part fitters, persons more like coach builders and good old school endentured and qualifed specialists

So with that in mind lets do the Maths:

a complete "maticulious" restoration would take in the region of 8 weeks:
So 10 weeks times 45 hours a week = 450 hours x R300 = R135 000
Calculated @ the industry non franchised rate work on average rate of R300.00 per hour

This would be : a total vehicle strip down of the vehicle from fully assembled to a list of parts and a bare chassis.
Then the cleaning begins:
Hot tank cleaning,
Paint stripping.
Sand blasting.
Body and chassis part evaluation and coatings (galv.powder coating and painting.
Motor, gearbox and differential strip down (3 x Diffs)
Motor engineering Boring, crank shaft grinding, cylinder head rebuilding.
Gearbox and diff rebuilds Strip check and reassemble with replaced worn parts set up diffs.
total vehicle assembly.
Chassis and drive train assembled
Core electrical harness fitted and attached to chassis.
Body panels prepainted then fitted to chassis and set up.
Upper electrical harness fitted and connected.
Glasswork fitted and ney upholstery fitted.
final assembly of small parts locks,winscreen wipers, headlights, taillights and extra items being, radio antenna, spot lights, bullbars, winches, roofracks,tow bars etc.etc.
Test vehicle and do QCc checks and adjustments.
Whee lalignment and 1000Km test routine and final Q.C.checks
Vehicle hand over and sign off.
So that is where your R135 000 worth of time and labour would go.
Now parts and sundry expenses.
Sundry expensen are a grudge purchase most vehicle owners get upset about, let me explain sundries.
This grudge purchase consists of :Cleaning solvents, degreasers,sand blasting grit,cloths,assembly oils,insulating tape, heat shrink,electrical connectors solder, polish,grinding paste, sand paper and so on.
An amount of R1500 and can be added for the above.
for me to give a accurate price regarding parts on this forum is virtually impossible.
A experience influenced guestimate for parts only: varies from R40 000 to R85 000+ depending on type of parts Genuine box branded or generic parts,
New electrical harnesses can add up to R5000 00 to the bill
Automotive engineering can add another R10 000 to the price.
Paint: Water bassed two part paint including primer,colour and clearcoat, would cost in the region R2000 to R5000+ depending on colour and coats requiredby customer.
Depending on the condition of the base vehicle part and labour quantity will vary It is those damn ugly bits that only show up on initial strip down.
A recent restoration cost a owner of a series 2 shorty R225 000 all done ..... Crazy.... but thats what he wanted.
Parts a a new chassis from the UK contributed to 75% of the rebuild.
So consider before you start restoration..if this is a bush vehicle, if so get it int good mechanical and electrical condition and forget about the "Concours de Elegance."and enjoy the vehicle for what its worth and built for rather fing a well restored Land and buy it, always works out cheaper, restoration always sell for half of the cost.
I will edit and spell check later I got to get going !!!
regards
William.

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Re: 110 Restorations

Postby jakeslouw » 07 Nov 2013 12:27

A full restore will cost more than a new Puma
1962 Series 2A Pickup
Ex: 1984 110 3.5 V8 Pickup
Ex: 1989 110 3.5 V8 County SW

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Re: 110 Restorations

Postby willie » 09 Nov 2013 07:52

Hello Jakeslouw.
You are absolutely right.
A very good friend and fellow workshop owner has just completed a restoration project on a "meticulous Morris Minor station wagon with wooden sections."
Engine parts Parts ex UK.including refurbished cylinder head.R 12 850.65
Body Parts ex UK R31 500.00
Engineering and Fabrication.R8 500.00
Coach work excluding paint R 9 500.00
Preparation and paint work R5 000.00
Upholstery and carperts R6 000.00
sundries R1 000.00
This excludes the R18 000 he paid for the "in good condition Morris minor

So what do you have, a R7 500.00 expense on a R25 000 worth Morris minor "woody" station wagon.
The problem lies once again with the resale value of o vehicle that is neither rare and far away from being considered a classic or vintage, but the enjoyment of ownership of a better than new Morris Minor Woody.

regards
Willie

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Re: 110 Restorations

Postby jakeslouw » 11 Nov 2013 11:42

Ja look if it was a Jensen or an early Jag or something, but an early 110 isn't very special apart from the doors. The rest is a mix of earlier S3 and later Defender and you could easily bodge or fabricate anything that is missing.

The point is why? It wasn't a very unique vehicle and certainly isn't very collectable yet? You can pick up good examples for around R45k.

So your statement as follows is completely correct: "......if this is a bush vehicle, if so get it int good mechanical and electrical condition and forget about the "Concours de Elegance."and enjoy the vehicle for what its worth and built for rather find a well restored Land and buy it, always works out cheaper, restoration always sell for half of the cost. "

Also the only early 110 sold over here was the CKD V8, we never got the 2.5 petrol or diesel.

If Mr Heythere wants a restored early 110 then I suppose the best is to search for a restored version that has had all the work done and where the previous owner has realised he will never ever get his money back.
1962 Series 2A Pickup
Ex: 1984 110 3.5 V8 Pickup
Ex: 1989 110 3.5 V8 County SW

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Re: 110 Restorations

Postby Landy Nut » 16 Nov 2013 14:28

I do series 1, 2, and 2A restorations and it is not cheap!!!

I reckon, minimum, not counting labour costs in the region of R35k to R55k on spares / materials etc. Add that to the average cost of about R35k to R45k for a good base model and you have got at least R70 to R100k for a good neat unit. :D

I work on my own at home, I am a pensioner, so I have a lot of time to spare and for me it is a labour of love and NOT how much money I can make. If mine was a business, I would go broke on the first project. The average project for me for a complete top to bottom rebuild is between 5 and 6 months, depending on how well I feel. 8-)

I have recently sold 2 88" Series 2's and in all honesty I lost out big time. One went for R70k and the other for 65K. These are collectors units and not for someone to go and tear the a----- out of them because it is a Landy. :o

I am currently rebuilding a Series 2A 109" Station Wagon which I bought for for a "song" R35k or so the seller thought. I reckon that by the time this one is completed sometime in the new year, it will run over R85K. How many people want to but a 45 year old vehicle for that kind of money. It is a "niche" market and you have to be patient to get the right buyers interested. ;) ;)

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Re: 110 Restorations

Postby willie » 17 Nov 2013 13:54

what can I say,
Ja boet!
You only get what you pay for.


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